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my car has a mind of its own i sware it
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96jetta
on 14 Jul, 2009 17:52
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the car has been running great for a long while now however this after noon i was going to go see a buddy and half way there the motor sky rocketed to 5200 rpm and i didnt touch the throtttle. i tryed to turn it off but the ignition wouldnt kill it it just kept pulling 5200 rpm. i put it into 1st gear and held the breaks and managed to kill the motor but what is wrong with her? how can it still run with the ignition off and how can it hit 5200 rpm with me not even touching the throttle?
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#1
by
SolarSteve
on 14 Jul, 2009 18:31
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I believe that is call "run-on" or "run away". I think what is happening is the motor is consuming its lubricating oil as fuel so your throttle will have no effect but to increase the RPM if you step on it. Also with the ingition off all you have done is cut the diesel fuel to the injectors, if it is fueling off of the motor oil it will continue to run.
Does it have excessive blowby?
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#2
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96jetta
on 14 Jul, 2009 18:39
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what is blowby?
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#3
by
SolarSteve
on 14 Jul, 2009 18:46
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If your piston rings are badly worn, when the fuel ignites and the pressure in the cylinder increases, the rings will allow the combustion gases to pressurize the crank case, blow-by. The crank case is vented through the valve cover into the intake manifold. This is done to burn just crank case vapors. If the rings are so worn that this is blowing vapor and oil with it, I believe you can have this situation.
Other will probably chime in, I think run away can happen from crank oil being pushed past the rings into the combustion chamber as well.
Does this engine have a turbo? That may play a part in this as well.
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#4
by
96jetta
on 14 Jul, 2009 18:51
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yea its a 1.9 turbo. it does have a tube running from the bottom of the block to the valve cover is this what your talking about?
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#5
by
54321chris
on 14 Jul, 2009 18:56
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The crankcase vent sits on top of the valve cover, looks like a hockey puck. At least it does on the 1.6 and the tdi, I've not seen an AAZ before...
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#6
by
96jetta
on 14 Jul, 2009 18:58
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ya that what it is. any way i have to do rings and possably re-bore out the block?
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#7
by
SolarSteve
on 14 Jul, 2009 19:00
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I believe the line from the bottom of the block or more probably the oil pan goes to the turbo. I never had or worked on a turbo motor or a 1.9 but I believe that line is the return oil line from your turbo to the oil pan. Somewhere there should be a supply line to the turbo as well.
Anyway, and again, I don't have 1.9 or turbo experience, but it think if your turbo oil seals blow/break you could be pumping engine oil from your turbo into the intake and into the cylinders causing your run away.
I will continue to try to help, but when one of the more experienced guys get read this I sure they will be able to give you more details. In the meantime, take a good close look at your turbo and look to see if it is wet or dripping oil.
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#8
by
SolarSteve
on 14 Jul, 2009 19:01
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ya that what it is. any way i have to do rings and possably re-bore out the block?
How many miles are on that motor?
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#9
by
96jetta
on 14 Jul, 2009 19:06
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i appreciate all your help thanks. i know there is a return and input line to the turbo but there is another plastic line that goes from the bottom of the block to the valve cover (hockey puck lol). but i will cheack the turbo too to see if it is wet too
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#10
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54321chris
on 14 Jul, 2009 19:22
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Your hockey puck line is connected to the block, or just hanging next to it? I don't know why it would vent into the block
; that wouldn't really be much of a vent, would it? It normally goes into the intake piping; some have disconnected it from the intake piping and just let it vent under the car.
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#11
by
96jetta
on 14 Jul, 2009 19:39
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it goes from the the bottom of the block to the valve cover to the intake piping. the gasket on the piping however is blown off
. im pretty sure its the rings have gone
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#12
by
96jetta
on 14 Jul, 2009 20:09
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the return is at the bacl or the block right?
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#13
by
92EcoDiesel Jetta
on 14 Jul, 2009 20:21
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96Jetta, check your oil dipstick level. Is it too high? That could cause runaway. Rings does not have to be worn for runaway to occur.
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#14
by
96jetta
on 14 Jul, 2009 20:37
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it was a little higher than it should have been how is it able to cause runaway though?