1.6 magicians help please. noob post

[vwjones]

I tried to search and didn't get much because I couldn't figure out how to word the search, so here goes.  I bought a 1981 NA vw pickup for two hundred dollars and got it running.  after doing a compression check i see one cylinder is pushing only about 230.  it runs fine now but I know it will have to be rebuilt soon.  the body has almost no rust and i have decided to put some money into it.  I found the 1.6 turbo engines on ebay that are brand new.  The are just the top and bottom end so I would have to use all of the accessories from my old engine.  I don't really want to buy all the extra parts to make my pickup a turbo, and it has enough power for me now anyway.  I was wondering if it is possible to run this turbo engine as normally aspirated.  I figure a NA with a giles pump should be fine for me.  So is it possible?  What would I have to do?

[subsonic]

Where are you located?  Add it in your profile.  So you want to run it as a N/A?  If that is the case you could save a ton of money by just having your current engine rebuilt.  For around 600-1500 dollars you could have yours done up better than what you find on e-bay.

[jtanguay]

Where are you located?  Add it in your profile.  So you want to run it as a N/A?  If that is the case you could save a ton of money by just having your current engine rebuilt.  For around 600-1500 dollars you could have yours done up better than what you find on e-bay.

i don't know about that.  unless he finds a reputable shop to do all the work, and do it right, he could face some issues. hearing about guys not replacing the bottom end bolts and having rods go through the block... head gaskets blowing.. but if money is tight, it would be the way to go.

i hate to link prothe stuff, but its hard to beat his prices.  this is his 1.6NA turbo conversion package.  people are skeptical of the turbo, but i honestly believe that for stock boost levels, it should be just fine.  here's the link

and for $1299 its hard to beat a complete longblock FACTORY rebuild.  pistons go for about $350 a set (unless you cheap out on prothe stuff) and the head can cost upwards of $500.  but the piece of mind you get with a factory rebuild is priceless, IMO.  unless its done by a shop that knows what they're doing, and unfortunately thats not always the case.here's the link.

other than all that, running a turbodiesel as non aspirated will do just fine.

[Rabbit TD]

I tried to search and didn't get much because I couldn't figure out how to word the search, so here goes.  I bought a 1981 NA vw pickup for two hundred dollars and got it running.  after doing a compression check i see one cylinder is pushing only about 230.  it runs fine now but I know it will have to be rebuilt soon.  the body has almost no rust and i have decided to put some money into it.  I found the 1.6 turbo engines on ebay that are brand new.  The are just the top and bottom end so I would have to use all of the accessories from my old engine.  I don't really want to buy all the extra parts to make my pickup a turbo, and it has enough power for me now anyway.  I was wondering if it is possible to run this turbo engine as normally aspirated.  I figure a NA with a giles pump should be fine for me.  So is it possible?  What would I have to do?

I am running that exact setup right now although with a turbo ,a fully rebuilt 1.6 T/D with a t/3 turbo but with the N/A pump waiting to get my t/d pump resealed at least, probably shaft bushing too.  The N/A engine isn't as strong in lots of respects and you would have to be very careful on EGT even the t/D  engines as well but more-so on your engine.  It sounds like you need the head at least pressure checked , made sure it's flat bock is not cracked, probablyreboredand new pistons and all bearings and gaskets so the new long-block miht not be a bad idea and will run on the N/A pump fine with normal timing settings with 130 bar injectors, if you go to the turbo injectors{155 bar ones} you need to set the timing a little higher on those pumps, in the process of doing this now.  This is what basicly a 1.6 ECO-DIESEL VW made for some Jettas a while back, a TD engine without the boost aneroid on the oump for fuel enrichment during boost, you still get some boost though and the exhaust is unbelievably clean and should give even better mileage as well but this is with the t3 turbo on the engine too.  If your N/A pump isn't leaking yet use it till it does and then put some money into a giles pimp, injectors and then find a turbo later, there are lots of deals at times just don't get a 300 dollar one you will see if you hang around here for a while :wink:  '

P,S. You probably will be better in the  long run with the new t/D engine but rember they need a core and they might not accept the N/A in that case and you are required shipping both ways I'm almost sure which will be expensive in that respect though.

[burn_your_money]

myke_w has some TD engines for sale, fully rebuilt too. He knows how to build a motor

As for running a TD motor as a NA, no problem. It'll just cost you more because the TD engine is worth more then the NA one.

BTW, $200 for a rust free running caddy :shock:

[arb]

You must be in Canada, because $200 in the US would be front page news !!  GOOD DEAL !!  Yes, like they said, the turbo block will be perfectly happy w/o a turbo. The injection pump (IP) is the quesiton - w/o the turbo you'll want the NA IP. Giles will make sure you have the right one if you tell him what you are going to do.

[vwjones]

actually they don't need a core.  it's not a rebuilt engine, it is a new engine.  factory and never installed.  1499.00.  it is the same guy that jtanguay linkined to.  just figured that for 1500 bucks, it is an engine that would last me 20 years.  folks are spending 30,000 for a car that will only last 5 years and are bragging about it.  yeah, i did get if for 200.  there is no one around here that really works on them and it was sitting outside his house for 2 years. his wife was really pissed.  he tried to give it to me but I gave him 200 bucks because I didn't want to cheat him.  I did some reading here, jumped the bus bar to the battery with cables, then it fired right up and ran great. lol  I replaced all belts and hoses, adjusted the IP timing etc.  it runs like a top but because of the low pressure in the number one cylinder, I know it's temporary.  the truck was undercoated when new and has no rust underneath or in the strut towers.  the paint is not really even faded.  anyway, enough of my bragging.  I just really like the truck.

[zukgod1]

Damn man, that really isn't to bad a deal I don't think.

I mean I prob spent around $1400 on my rebuild. I added a couple things like ARP studs etc but still that's not a bad price at all.

I would be VERY tempted if I was in the market.

[subsonic]

Thinking about it, yea that a pretty good deal. A new head will run you 4-500 minimum, engine work to have it done correctly does add up.  Figure in your time.  You are probably ahead.  As a bonus, if you did want to do any performance work to this before you put it in it would be very simple.  Break it down and reassemble.    The link I saw said this was a factory rebuild.  Was yours different?

[Rabbit TD]

Where are you located?  Add it in your profile.  So you want to run it as a N/A?  If that is the case you could save a ton of money by just having your current engine rebuilt.  For around 600-1500 dollars you could have yours done up better than what you find on e-bay.

i don't know about that.  unless he finds a reputable shop to do all the work, and do it right, he could face some issues. hearing about guys not replacing the bottom end bolts and having rods go through the block... head gaskets blowing.. but if money is tight, it would be the way to go.

i hate to link prothe stuff, but its hard to beat his prices.  this is his 1.6NA turbo conversion package.  people are skeptical of the turbo, but i honestly believe that for stock boost levels, it should be just fine.  here's the link

and for $1299 its hard to beat a complete longblock FACTORY rebuild.  pistons go for about $350 a set (unless you cheap out on prothe stuff) and the head can cost upwards of $500.  but the piece of mind you get with a factory rebuild is priceless, IMO.  unless its done by a shop that knows what they're doing, and unfortunately thats not always the case.here's the link.

other than all that, running a turbodiesel as non aspirated will do just fine.

Yes you sure can't beat his prices and I haven't had any dealings with him yet but did you see the picture of the turbo's shaft on ARB's turbo he got from him where they {tried} to balance it, half the nut and shaft are gone.

[vwjones]

are you talking about "prothe" or "europetoamerica"  i am talking about europetoamerica