Author Topic: Timing belt mk3 1,9td (Read 4206 times)

jbturgeon · « **on:** February 02, 2009, 02:09:28 pm »

Hi everyone, i am new to this forum... I would like to have some infos about a broken timing belt in a golf 1,9 td 95. The other day, as i was driving, my engine stops... Timing belt jammed into the lower part of the engine.
1. Does anyone think it could habe broken something else, is there a way to see it?
2.Where can i find some information about how to fix it beside the haynes manual?

Thanks very much...

zukgod1 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2009, 03:06:33 pm »

You can pretty much count on head damage I'm afraid.

Bent valves at a min. The head needs to come off and be inspected.

You need a Bentley manual, Haynes will get you into trouble.

jbturgeon · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2009, 06:26:09 pm »

Am i suppose to be able to spin the crankshaft with my hands when there's no belt on or is it suppose to have just a little loose in it?

jbturgeon · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2009, 10:20:57 pm »

I can't see nothing (indications) on how to align the the camshaft and the crankshaft with the flywheel.
How do you do it?

Thanks very much

Rabbit TD · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2009, 12:04:00 am »

Sorry to hear that it happened but just out of curiosity how many miles did the engine have on it since it's last belt change or if it ever had one if you might know. The whole outcome of this situation is really based how much experience with engine rebuilding you have, the kind of tools you have, how much time and money you have and a place to perform the work and how attached to the car you actualy are. I'm not trying to be cruel or something like that but we have to know something about these questions to better advise you on what to do so you don't waste any more of your money and time than necessary on a job like this because it can get pretty expensive and time consuming under best circumstances. If you do decide to try it the Bently book covering your car is the very first thing you need. Like was said before, the otherbooks don't cover near the information Bentley does and are very vague. Don't even attempt it without that book.

jbturgeon · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2009, 02:04:37 am »

After a bit of cleaning and i finally found the two marks that match on the camshaft. I am now looking to find out which of the 2 marks on the flywheel will match the piston 1( first one or second one turning clockwise?

My timing belt wasn't broken 100%. There was 1 cm wide left. Do you think my valves and piston can still be ok?

Thank you...I ordered a bentley...

Smokey Eddy · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2009, 04:10:40 am »

Well we can't really see it but do you think the belt skipped teeth?

These are "interference engines" meaning the pistons come up so close to the head that if out of timing they will SMASH the valves SO hard the valves will leave stamps on the piston face. Taking the head off, for what it's worth, is not that hard to do. You'll need a head gasket, new head bolts, oil and coolant.

Take the head off and see how well the valves seat (if at all) OR you could just look to see if your pistons have marks from hitting the valves.

Rabbit TD · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2009, 03:07:54 pm »

Quote from: "jbturgeon"

After a bit of cleaning and i finally found the two marks that match on the camshaft. I am now looking to find out which of the 2 marks on the flywheel will match the piston 1( first one or second one turning clockwise?

My timing belt wasn't broken 100%. There was 1 cm wide left. Do you think my valves and piston can still be ok?

Thank you...I ordered a bentley...

If you do still have some good belt left intact why not try rotating the engine with a socket on the crank pulley bolt at least 2 or 3 revolutions but don't force it if it hits somewhere, if everything turns and doesn't bind anywhere it sounds like all you need is a new belt and time everything up right. You might want to take the injectors out to make it easier to rotate if there isn't much belt left though to keep what little bit that is left from breaking or slipping. If it rotates ok then stick the injectors back in pretty snug with just the old sealing discs for now and rotate it around 2 or more revolutions agin to feel for compression on all 4 cyls, if you can then I think and hope you lucked out and didn't cause any damage. Then don't forget to go back and install new sealing discs for the injectors then after you're satisfied the head doesn't have to come off. But still get that bentley book and the timing tools and I wouldn't be without a compression gauge either. I hope it's OK and you only need a belt. The thing that scares me though is that you did say the engine stopped and I hope it didn't stop from valve and piston contact.

Rabbit TD · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2009, 10:35:46 pm »

Quote from: "Smokey Eddy"

Well we can't really see it but do you think the belt skipped teeth?

These are "interference engines" meaning the pistons come up so close to the head that if out of timing they will SMASH the valves SO hard the valves will leave stamps on the piston face. Taking the head off, for what it's worth, is not that hard to do. You'll need a head gasket, new head bolts, oil and coolant.

Take the head off and see how well the valves seat (if at all) OR you could just look to see if your pistons have marks from hitting the valves.

I wonder how many teeth it takes to skip before it causes piston contact?

commuter boy · « **Reply #9 on:** February 04, 2009, 03:03:20 am »

One is ok. Two is contact, but that's just from my turning the engine over by hand, I don't know if it was just touching or would cause a lot of damage.

jbturgeon · « **Reply #10 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:50:17 pm »

Ok guys, here we are... I sent my golf to a mechanic and he told me few valves were bent.. Is it worth changing the cylinder head or should i just give up and move forward. If so, where could i find the cheapest cylinder head. I am wondering if it is easy to put it back in the engine or i will need a professional?
Should i just change the valves in the one already in place?

I am in whistler near vancouver, British-columbia.

Thank you for all your help

Golf/Jetta · « **Reply #11 on:** February 11, 2009, 06:09:44 pm »

a local junk yard but over priced.. or find one from a new friend-could be cheaper. as for doing it your-self¿ you tell us. depends on if you got the time to work on it.. last time i checked. i had a mk2 that ended up sitting for a year before i got to work on it. got it to run and had to sell it for cheap $200 brand new brakes shocks springs T-Belt bearing etc the car had almost everything except A/C and sunroof

i loved to work on that car, and now i'm think of getting another.. geez i just can't help myself, its just so adictive.

jtanguay · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2009, 06:44:42 pm »

from the sounds of it, the head is probably more or less okay. i would just get valves and or guides... if you can't wait that long, perhaps you should look at buying one of the cheaper chinese heads for about $400USD?