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February 04, 2009, 07:51:01 pm

8v-of-fury

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« on: February 04, 2009, 07:51:01 pm »
My dad's thinking of buying one. its got 81k on the clock. What needs to be worried about? anything that goes around the 90-100k mark? Also this will be his first diesel. what really specific tips can i give him?



Reply #1February 04, 2009, 08:37:00 pm

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 08:37:00 pm »
If it's the PD engine, I would pull the valve cover and check the condition of the cam lobes. If there's wear, it's a $2k repair bill. This is especially important if the owner didn't use the right oil (and still possible if they did).
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Reply #2February 04, 2009, 08:39:05 pm

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 08:39:05 pm »
how will i identify a pd engine? whoa, is that specific to the later model tdi's? thats a ***ty deal lol hmm, i will have to take a look to see what i can dig up about the PO and wat not.

Reply #3February 04, 2009, 08:44:11 pm

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 08:44:11 pm »
Quote from: "8v-of-fury"
how will i identify a pd engine? whoa, is that specific to the later model tdi's? thats a ***ty deal lol hmm, i will have to take a look to see what i can dig up about the PO and wat not.


if he can't prove that the oil was changed on schedule, and that the proper oil was used... just walk away.


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Reply #4February 04, 2009, 08:46:47 pm

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 08:46:47 pm »
yeah, good idea. If he seems the least bit sketchy.. ill be like, oh wait. **** you buddy! lol haha that'll fix him! lol thanks for the heads up guys. anything other then that to look out for on an 04? rust areas anything like that?>

Reply #5February 04, 2009, 08:59:35 pm

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2009, 08:59:35 pm »
Quote from: "8v-of-fury"
yeah, good idea. If he seems the least bit sketchy.. ill be like, oh wait. **** you buddy! lol haha that'll fix him! lol thanks for the heads up guys. anything other then that to look out for on an 04? rust areas anything like that?>


i thought VW's had some crazy 10 year no rust warranty??? or was i thinking of another brand?

but yea unless this guy's selling the car super cheap, be very very cautious!!! if it drives with funny noises out of the engine bay, then its not good.  i've heard that even running with the wrong oil for 5000km and then switching back to the right oil will give you problems down the road. with the amount of retards that take their car to those lube places (some of which are equally as stupid...) i would probably stay clear of any PD motor.

on TDI club theres a few threads with the damage that can occur.  this one lady's motor was pretty bad.  an entire intake lobe was completely rounded off so that the intake port did not open.  pretty scary!


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Reply #6February 04, 2009, 09:01:46 pm

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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2009, 09:01:46 pm »
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one lady's motor was pretty bad. an entire intake lobe was completely rounded off so that the intake port did not open. pretty scary!


Holy ***e, thats whack and all from the wrong oil eh? Well ill be sure to tell him to be very very attentive on the test drive :P thanks

Reply #7February 04, 2009, 09:25:27 pm

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2009, 09:25:27 pm »
Quote from: "8v-of-fury"
how will i identify a pd engine? whoa, is that specific to the later model tdi's? thats a ***ty deal lol hmm, i will have to take a look to see what i can dig up about the PO and wat not.


If you take off the plastic engine cover and you can see the four injectors and hard lines going into the head and there is a fuel pump in front of the head it's an ALH. Generally, these are fairly reliable but I'm not too familiar with specific issues, so do a search on ALH.

If you take off the plastic cover and there is no fuel pump/had lines/injectors and instead the head has a bulge on the front, it's a BEW engine (the PD "pump-deuse"). The PD is a newer engine but there's moderate possibility of severe cam wear, especially if the wrong oil is used.
2006 Jetta TDI - gtb1749v, Malone 2, Frank's Titan 2 cam, VR6 clutch....
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Reply #8February 04, 2009, 11:37:40 pm

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2009, 11:37:40 pm »
If it's a true 2004, it should be a PD engine. And, as noted by everyone else, there is the cam-lobe wear issue.

It's really hard to trust anyone when buying one, unless they have the warranty book stamped by the dealer for every oil change. Even then, I've heard stories of blown heads on cars that were ONLY maintained at the dealer, and on time.

If your dad buys just one year earlier (ALH), then he's much better off. Timing belt changes cost more for an ALH, as there are more rollers, but oil changes are ALOT cheaper, easier (buy Rotella 5W/40 synth at Walmart), and they generally last longer. The PD is just too fragile in regards to cams, lifters, etc.

Reply #9February 05, 2009, 08:48:52 am

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2009, 08:48:52 am »
just wanted to add that i think they are even a bit noisier than an ALH...


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Reply #10February 05, 2009, 12:29:52 pm

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2009, 12:29:52 pm »
Quote from: "jtanguay"
just wanted to add that i think they are even a bit noisier than an ALH...


Yeah, and I think the exhaust smells like the reaction between an acid and a metal. Yeetch.

Reply #11February 05, 2009, 12:47:13 pm

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2009, 12:47:13 pm »
What? My exhaust doesn't smell like anything except on start-up on a cold morning. And mine is much quieter than my 1.6TD.
2006 Jetta TDI - gtb1749v, Malone 2, Frank's Titan 2 cam, VR6 clutch....
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1981 Rabbit - BEW tdi swap project

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Reply #12February 06, 2009, 03:30:52 pm

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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2009, 03:30:52 pm »
meh, i told my dad to avoid o4's like the plague. :P

is 04 when they started with the PD engines? Every Tdi before would be ALH?

Reply #13February 07, 2009, 04:11:04 pm

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2009, 04:11:04 pm »
Quote from: "8v-of-fury"
meh, i told my dad to avoid o4's like the plague. :P

is 04 when they started with the PD engines? Every Tdi before would be ALH?


in North America, that is correct.  over in the EU they've had PD's for a while... 2004-2007 were all PD's AFAIK... or did they even produce diesels in '07?

i wouldn't avoid PD's like the plague entirely... just make sure that he does his research.  as stated above, if the owner can produce statements of oil changes done at proper intervals (verify by seeing with your own eyes, and doing the calculations) which should be in the manual, or other maintenance book, then start to take the car seriously as a good runner.  another thing to check, would be the reputation of said VW service center (where the oil changes were done) and make sure you can't find anything bad said about it.

i bet you could really lowball someone with a bad PD motor... start laying down some serious bill estimates for repair, and get the car for dirt cheap.  just get the cam changed, and the timing belt while you're in there (not really too much harder to change the cam while doing a T-belt job), and voila.  you'll have a nice car!


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Reply #14February 07, 2009, 04:20:56 pm

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2009, 04:20:56 pm »
Yeah, it is not actually hard to change the cam. If you can change the timing belt you can change the cam and lifters. The only real issue is that the pd cam is about 3 times the price of a VE engine cam.
2006 Jetta TDI - gtb1749v, Malone 2, Frank's Titan 2 cam, VR6 clutch....
1991 Jetta TD - sold :(
2001 Golf TDI - Son's
1981 Rabbit - BEW tdi swap project

"ONCE YOU GO CLACK, YOU NEVER GO BACK"

 

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