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Reply #30November 01, 2012, 12:30:08 am

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« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2012, 12:30:08 am »
Pauter's are supposed to be top-notch and very strong.  They're "X beams", not "H-beams", so I don't think they receive as much attention since H-beams are all the rage.  If I remember correctly, Pauter actually makes a set of 1.6 TD rods.  Another highly respected name in rods is Carrillo.  I think both Pauter and Carrillo are made in USA too.  I'm pretty sure Rostens, Scats, Integrated Engineering, etc. are made in China, and then possibly machined in USA.  Just sayin...
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Reply #31November 01, 2012, 03:27:51 am

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« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2012, 03:27:51 am »
Rostens are the only ones made to run the TDI rod bearings which are better than the IDI ones. You then also have the option of running the sputter bearings. There is a lot of high end TDI builds with Rostens and if their rods survive being beaten like that, they will live forever in 1.6TD (shorter rods and shorter stroke helps the rod take more abuse before bending/breaking)
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Reply #32November 01, 2012, 10:12:22 pm

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« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2012, 10:12:22 pm »
Rosten said at tdiclub theat his rods are forged in Japan... can't remember if they are finished in Japan or in Europe...

Just my $0.02

Reply #33November 01, 2012, 10:58:55 pm

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« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2012, 10:58:55 pm »
Rosten said at tdiclub theat his rods are forged in Japan... can't remember if they are finished in Japan or in Europe...

Just my $0.02

You make it seem like being forged in Japan is a bad thing??

Reply #34November 01, 2012, 11:54:05 pm

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« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2012, 11:54:05 pm »
No, not at all. I was just stating that rosten's rods are _not_ made in china

Ps: english is not my native language, sorry for any grammar / spelling errors.

Reply #35November 01, 2012, 11:58:06 pm

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« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2012, 11:58:06 pm »
Forged in Japan is good.  Most BBS wheels that are forged are forged in Japan.  My point is we buy enough crap from China as it is.  If we can get rods that are made somewhere else, that's a good thing.
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Reply #36November 02, 2012, 08:58:58 am

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« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2012, 08:58:58 am »
About the T3 turbos:

Quote
with a .48

...I had a similar turbo on a gasser Saab once, and it ran out of puff at 200 whp. On a gas engine.
Then I was able to  squeeze out 240 whp with a .60 exhaust mated to a Trim50 T4 compressor side.
The turbine was getting tight at that time though.

The T3s really are not any good in today's terms, that's why all the car manufacturers ditched them in the
early 90's at the latest. In favor of T25s and the like.

If you want good power with reliability, why would you not want to invest in good turbochargers?
A Holset HX30 or a Garrett GT25 or GT28 would be much, much better.
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Reply #37November 02, 2012, 02:16:48 pm

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« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2012, 02:16:48 pm »
Rostens are the only ones made to run the TDI rod bearings which are better than the IDI ones. You then also have the option of running the sputter bearings. There is a lot of high end TDI builds with Rostens and if their rods survive being beaten like that, they will live forever in 1.6TD (shorter rods and shorter stroke helps the rod take more abuse before bending/breaking)

i thought a LONGER stroke and rod was easier on the rod, because of less extreme angles?

maybe its just the reduced piston speed with long rods..
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Reply #38November 02, 2012, 02:22:20 pm

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« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2012, 02:22:20 pm »
Rostens are the only ones made to run the TDI rod bearings which are better than the IDI ones. You then also have the option of running the sputter bearings. There is a lot of high end TDI builds with Rostens and if their rods survive being beaten like that, they will live forever in 1.6TD (shorter rods and shorter stroke helps the rod take more abuse before bending/breaking)

i thought a LONGER stroke and rod was easier on the rod, because of less extreme angles?

maybe its just the reduced piston speed with long rods..

Shorter stroke is safer, longer rod is safer
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Reply #39November 02, 2012, 02:45:30 pm

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« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2012, 02:45:30 pm »
longer rod is safer

Try breaking a pencil, now try breaking one half of it, was the long or the short one strongest? ;)
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Reply #40November 02, 2012, 04:02:46 pm

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« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2012, 04:02:46 pm »
longer rod is safer

Try breaking a pencil, now try breaking one half of it, was the long or the short one strongest? ;)

That is true as well and I won't disagree with it but longer rods when compared on 2 engines both with the same bore and stroke is safer because there rod angles are not as harsh, a common example is a stroked Chevy 350 engine the 383 it can be built 2 ways the one with longer rods is safer for more power and more revs
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Reply #41November 02, 2012, 05:17:54 pm

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« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2012, 05:17:54 pm »
alright since people hate my turbo choices, what would you recommend? im looking for low end boost and have full boost by 3-4 grand

 

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