Iknow, I know. Chrysler 2.2L auto trans?

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WOW !!  I did not understand this was not for the street - forget what I said about using the VW - do what Voodoo says and you'll have a fun toy. Let us know how it works out and how often you break things !!  (Every drag racer I've known always breaks something)

[voodoo]

same topic better info.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2877220

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Just checked it out. Man thats great stuff. Thanks.
I can get a auto from an MK1 or a MK2 fairly cheap too.
I'll be following that thread.

[zukgod1]

Just checked it out. Man thats great stuff. Thanks.
I can get a auto from an MK1 or a MK2 fairly cheap too.
I'll be following that thread.

Now if they just had a taller final gear.

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Was talking to a fellow VW buff, and he said that alot of power is lost through the converter? Why? If one was to have a custom converter built, it would be better. I really want to do something different than everyone else instead of the same old same old. Just doing a bit of research before building and spending a great deal of $$$.

[voodoo]

how bout automatic with no converter.  no i'm not kidding you really dont need a torque converter with an automatic just hydraulic pressure from the pump to apply pressure to the clutches and bands. and a clutch pedal for the automatic.

http://www.tciauto.com/Products/CircleTrack/circle_track_pump_drives.asp

oops sorry that was my little fantasy of going back to an American V8 motor that I can find parts and support for instead of fighting with German diesel elves and their pet Brazilian gremlins.
 
a 20 valve 1.8T vw motor with a 6 speed 01e transmission, these transmissions, and the 5 speed 01a transmission that is similar to it, come from the factory with torsen "peloquin like" differential and are very strong.



or if you want an automatic get a real one like this vw engine with a chevy powerglide 2 speed adapted to it.  

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Just checked out the link and didn't find anything for the VW trans. Did you see something there that would work?

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Was talking to a fellow VW buff, and he said that alot of power is lost through the converter? Why? If one was to have a custom converter built, it would be better. I really want to do something different than everyone else instead of the same old same old. Just doing a bit of research before building and spending a great deal of $$$.

Most of the heat an auto trans gives off is from the power lost to the fluid mixing in the converter. That is why the only auto trans to get close to a manual in mpg all have a locking torque converter. This lock is a very common thing to break on Chrysler auto trans.

I've never seen one step up to run w/o a converter. That would be a challenge for a GM auto as on many of them the converter turns the pump.

[SMOKEYDUB]

I just wanted to say that a lock up torque converter dramatically decreases heat due to there not being any "fluid shear" in side the torque converter. Fluid shear is th fluid being thrown of the turbine and into the impeller. Most older auto boxes have just small 2 wire solenoids controlling torque converter lock up and would be easy to wire a switch and they can hold alot of power while keeping the trans cool. A torque converter is also a torque multiplier and can multiply up to 3:1. This occurs at WOT stall launches but the converter torque multiplying starts to decrease as the wheels start to turn. As for a stall speed a factory vw 3spd is very close to 3000 rpm from the factory so that would be the best bet for a big turbo TD drag car. Also for cooling of the transmission I have converted a\c condensor into trans coolers and they work beautifully!, and there cheap because people throw them away because nobody wants ac\.I hope that will help you guys in some of your decisions.

Jeff

[voodoo]

http://www.turbodiy.com/

website of a guy with a 9 second turbo neon who uses a 413 transmission.

the website has a  very well documented list of mods for a 413 transmission including how to fix the valve body to full manual.  

I looked for this level of support for VW automatic transmissions and I did not find any.

I still recommend the 02a transmission.

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Voodoo, thanks for the web site. Lots of goodies there.
 :?:  Do you remember the Dodge Omni with the 1.7 VW engine.
Do you or anyone know if that flex plate will fit the VW crankshaft bolt pattern and Dodge torque converter bolt pattern?
That would be the money shot if it did. The pefect fit.
Otherwise, I'd have to have one custom made.

[voodoo]

a picture of a toyota flywheel with VW bolt pattern drilled into the empty spaces.  this is an idea about how to get a 4 bolt dodge flexplate connected to a VW crank.

what was wrong with the 02a transmission idea? it bolts right in, its really cheap, and you wont break it.  it was so easy to do I even put one in my car.

ok fine the hard way.

1978; chrysler corporation is inches from going bankrupt and ceasing to exist, lee iacocca saves chrysler by coming out with really cheap economy cars, and cutting every corner to build them.  starting with the 404 transmission

the 1978 omni with the 1.7 vw engine had a dodge flexplate with vw crank bolt pattern for the dodge 404 transmission.  

the quick answer would be yes a completely stock 404 will bolt right up to a vw engine and all that would be needed would be custom engine and transmission mounts and custom axles.

the 404 transmission has issues, the rear band is not adjustable, all other torqueflite transmissions have adjustable bands, the clutch pack holds only 2 clutches, most other torqueflites hold 4, more is better, the ring gear carrier bearing is small and weak as compared to a newer larger design found in the neon transmission.  the flexplate has 3 bolts to hold the torque converter as compared to 4 for newer  designs,  the transmission itself would need ALOT of work done to it to get it to work, like everything inside replaced with different parts

 then you will need custom axles.

custom transmission mounts

before you attempt this you might want to become an expert on 413 transmissions , I believe you will need several parts transmissions to complete this, a neon transmission for ring gear carrier bearing retainers and a carrier, a v6 minivan transmission for more clutches. you also might need to buy a whole omni car to get the vw 404 transmission

on the bright side 413 clutches are $1.89 each

life is too short for this please go with a nice 02A



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Ha ha. Everyone is saying that too.
A niebor down the street is a big Chrysler power dude. Hes got the trans and some parts for around $100, not including the rebuild kit . He can get new torque converters for around 50 bucks, planet carriers for 50 bucks. The local wrecking yard wants $125 for tranys and the cost of the axles could'nt be that much to fit the rizzeppa VW ends. Its not like this motor is going to put out even 200hp. The stock auto trans should be able to hold up to the diesel power of this engine. As far as studying the 413 trans., all Ive done sence you told me about that web site is read  and read about that trans and the 670 too.
I hate to say it but, yah, I may as well just through in a G60 or Passat trans in it and go. But think about how fun it would be to have an auto.
The flex plate issue, I'll probably just use the VW one and drill new holes to fit the auto side of things.

Got a VW auto flex plate? :oops:  :lol: