Author Topic: Starting a turbo build...Videos of it running :D  (Read 100813 times)

Reply #210August 20, 2010, 05:29:51 pm

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Re: Starting a turbo build and...
« Reply #210 on: August 20, 2010, 05:29:51 pm »
That is just it, my extension wire did not screw in. It just slid in. I tried to crimp it and it wouldn't do it, hence the is it ok to solider.

I think I will solider on some spades if no one says not to. At least that way it is still removable. Or hopefully someone like andrew will know since I am using his wire and the same probe and gauge he is, and he will tell me what to do.

Reply #211August 20, 2010, 05:37:30 pm

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« Reply #211 on: August 20, 2010, 05:37:30 pm »
In general soldering is *not* recommended for thermocouple wire... the reason being you're adding dissimilar metals to the junction... every one of which becomes its own little thermocouple which then adds inaccuracy to the system.

In the ideal world you'd use the same two metals all the way thru the system... using crimp connectors made of the same two different metals found in the thermocouple wire... one for each side... all the way to the gauge.  The terminals on the gauge itself would be made of those same two different metals... in industrial situations they are.

However, we're not in the ideal world, and the temperature at the main junction (the actual thermocouple) is much greater than the temperature at all the other connections.. so we can get by with a few dissimilar metal junctions... including the ones at the gauge terminal itself.  The idea is to minimize them.  So, many folks have good luck bolting the bare wires together at the junction(s) with small machine screws and washers... if done right you're forcing the two metals to only touch each other and the errors are minimized.  Bolt 'em together with machine screws/washers and then weather-protect with electricians tape or heat-shrink tubing.
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Reply #212August 20, 2010, 05:48:11 pm

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« Reply #212 on: August 20, 2010, 05:48:11 pm »
Thanks Vince. I figured that solidering was bad.
I did bolt my thermocouple to the K type lead and did all you mentioned above. Then I went and wrapped it with firesleeve from BEE GEE. My problem is down the K type wire to the gauge extension wire, it doesn't want to stay put. I can't crimp it tight enough as there is no give in the k type lead and the extension from the gauge won't crush completely around it.

Basically, I figure there is a really simple solution I am over looking as a newb on EGT gauges. I might be putting the wire on wrong or something. I am just butting them together...help :D

Reply #213August 21, 2010, 12:08:27 am

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« Reply #213 on: August 21, 2010, 12:08:27 am »
The westach had a gauge extention wire?

I just wire-wrapped Libbybapa's wire around the post on the back of the egt gauge.
 Got a pic of the back of the gauge?
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Reply #214August 21, 2010, 08:20:55 am

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« Reply #214 on: August 21, 2010, 08:20:55 am »
I will get a pic, but yes the westach gauge had an extension wire that you put on the back of the gauge. It was only about a foot or a little more long. It has ends on it that look like you can crimp, but it isn't happening. I think what I will do is cut them off and wrap them around the k type lead and then heat shrink them :-\

Reply #215August 21, 2010, 08:32:05 am

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« Reply #215 on: August 21, 2010, 08:32:05 am »

Then here is a pic of the back of the Gauge, obviously the top middle.


I don't have the extension wire in the pic. It just looks like 18-22 gauge wire with round almost bullet style connectors though.

and here is the distructions on how to install.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2010, 08:44:45 am by theman53 »

Reply #216August 29, 2010, 12:42:08 am

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« Reply #216 on: August 29, 2010, 12:42:08 am »
I got the EGT figured out...
Here is some Hard Core VW porn
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=106377792

I am happier than a two faliced billy goat. I have started it 5 times and have some leaks that i think are fixed now. Tomorrow I will put a seat in it and run it around the farm. I need exhaust pretty bad, but it is quieter than my N/As that I have had with nothing but a 3" downpipe.
Thanks to all on this forum for helping me. Especially Dakotakid, for getting me parts/advice for the cost of shipping, 53 willys for the turbo adaptor and stuff, and GeeBee for the cheap stuff too. Andrew and Vince for all various knowledge and the EGT wire. And everyone else for the various posts that made me think more and do some things different than what I would have.

This isn't the end. But a MILESTONE for the 3 year on/off build. My butt was puckered when I first hit the starter. More Video to come later :D


slight difference

I hate the fact that the intake was supposed to go on a HONDA. Some 200.00 intake summit had in the bargin bin for 50.00. I bought it just for the filter, but used all of it:D
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Reply #217August 29, 2010, 09:56:19 am

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« Reply #217 on: August 29, 2010, 09:56:19 am »
I have the coolant hose from the pump to the head in silicone
068121053E
need one
black-Blue, red or yellow...

let Me Know

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Reply #218August 29, 2010, 08:58:55 pm

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« Reply #218 on: August 29, 2010, 08:58:55 pm »
Let me know how much Gee Bee

I have an issue. I can't get the heater fan to work. I am looking through bentley and no luck. I have traced all wires that I know, but it seems some aren't there. I have 2 plugs in the wiring harness in the dash and I can't find where they go. Anybody have any pics of MKII heater box and all the wiring involved? Please help, dash is out and I can't go on with out it.

Reply #219September 01, 2010, 10:52:01 am

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« Reply #219 on: September 01, 2010, 10:52:01 am »
Congrats on getting it running!  I know that feeling of "oh crap is this going to work or not!!!" and then the big "whew" after it starts purring.  Which quickly changes back to "oh crap, what's that leak!?!?" as you dive for the ignition key.  :D  Fun stuff!

About the heater- the plug to the fan control switch is a goofy looking one if I remember, nothing else in the dash will fit it.  There is a fuse for it, check that first, then check the fan itself- use a couple jumper wires to a battery at the fan plug to see if it will physically spin.  When they go bad, sometimes they will turn so slowly that they don't produce any air.  (I had to replace the one in the Golf)

Gotta be something easy, there isn't much in the fan circuit.

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Reply #220September 01, 2010, 12:30:20 pm

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« Reply #220 on: September 01, 2010, 12:30:20 pm »
22.50 with clamps 068121053 E

The upper hose 191 101 ak ( 91 jetta 1.6 a/c radiator  )and the lower hose 533121051 a ( Scirocco 16 v a/c ) fit's better since it has a 90 degree down bend are going into production

Std install on 975 mm radiator

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Coilovers, MKII Pedal Swap,G60 BRAKES
MK1 JETTA DASH
675MM 16V radiator (MKII) PASSAT DUAL FAN
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Reply #221September 01, 2010, 06:00:13 pm

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« Reply #221 on: September 01, 2010, 06:00:13 pm »
Congrats on getting it running!  I know that feeling of "oh crap is this going to work or not!!!" and then the big "whew" after it starts purring.  Which quickly changes back to "oh crap, what's that leak!?!?" as you dive for the ignition key.  :D  Fun stuff!

About the heater- the plug to the fan control switch is a goofy looking one if I remember, nothing else in the dash will fit it.  There is a fuse for it, check that first, then check the fan itself- use a couple jumper wires to a battery at the fan plug to see if it will physically spin.  When they go bad, sometimes they will turn so slowly that they don't produce any air.  (I had to replace the one in the Golf)

Gotta be something easy, there isn't much in the fan circuit.

Brendan
Yeah, the fan worked perfectly before on HIGH only. I replaced the resistor, but in the year since I removed the heater box I must have missed a wire or two. It won't even work on high so something other than the resistor is bad.

Reply #222September 01, 2010, 08:03:45 pm

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« Reply #222 on: September 01, 2010, 08:03:45 pm »
068121053 E Coolant Hose ( pump to head ) IS A 1/2 LONGER PER JACK'S BUILD

I just finished all the hoses for a vanagon tdi build ( van-Cafe )

vanagon uses the same hose

GB

Ohh yeah advise color: red, Blue, Black
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Reply #223September 02, 2010, 07:22:19 am

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« Reply #223 on: September 02, 2010, 07:22:19 am »
I would like one, but don't send it until you know for sure that the south american stuff is going to get ordered. I will probably go with black, but I will think about it. How resistant are the hoses to oil and fuel?

Reply #224September 02, 2010, 11:19:25 am

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« Reply #224 on: September 02, 2010, 11:19:25 am »
Silicone is standard equipment on all catapillar motors and the girls here at the beach

No problem I rub all different kinds of oil on them and no problems...

5 Ply lay up

GB

I also have the turbo to manifold inlet duct ( oem) 122.00
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1.9 AAZ, CHD 5spd with Peloquin
KO4/KO3 Hybrid turbo
Giles Pump OHC
Complete Techtonics 2'5 S/S DP and Exhaust
Coilovers, MKII Pedal Swap,G60 BRAKES
MK1 JETTA DASH
675MM 16V radiator (MKII) PASSAT DUAL FAN
42K original miles , South African Front End
15x6 Le Casletts 195-45-15

 

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