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May 04, 2008, 04:32:57 pm

hamradio

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Some thoughts/questions on controlling a vnt
« on: May 04, 2008, 04:32:57 pm »
So,
I've been thinking about how I'm going to set up the linkage on my vnt for my na diesel.

I'm going to simply control the vanes with a cable linked to the throttle cable bracket on the IP.  Then use a external wastegate set at probably 12 psi.

When would I want the vanes fully closed at?  1/4 throttle?  1/2?  3/4?  WOT?  I would think one would want the vanes open as soon as possible, to quickly build boost.

Would it be worth it to rig up another cable to a manual control, so I could open or close the vanes as I please, from inside the car?  I was thinking just a snowmobile/jet ski style choke switch under the dash.  The kind with the little lever that pulls on a cable when you flip the lever up.

Reply #1May 04, 2008, 06:23:46 pm

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Re: Some thoughts/questions on controlling a vnt
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2008, 06:23:46 pm »
Quote from: "hamradio"

When would I want the vanes fully closed at?  1/4 throttle?  1/2?  3/4?  WOT?  I would think one would want the vanes open as soon as possible, to quickly build boost.

You want the vanes closed to build boost. I'd say have them opening between 1/4 and 1/2 for better economy. When manually controlled, they are easy to adjust.
Jim
1966 Land-Rover 88" with 1.9 1Z which has been transformed to an M-TDI
TFO35 mechanically controlled VNT, IC , and 2.5" exhaust.
Driven daily

Reply #2May 05, 2008, 01:11:08 pm

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2008, 01:11:08 pm »
Ugh, that's what I meant. :oops:  It somehow seems backwards that closing vanes=spooling up.  :D

Anyway, I'll set it up so that the vanes are fully open by around 1/4 or 1/2, like you said.  How 'bout closed?  By 3/4 throttle?  

Another aspect-
I'm going to be running an external wastegate.  Should I even bother with making some sort of boost control to open the vanes?  Or would I be fine with closed vanes and an open wastegate? (don't they flutter or something at some point?)

Reply #3May 05, 2008, 05:12:42 pm

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Some thoughts/questions on controlling a vnt
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2008, 05:12:42 pm »
The only problem with not having an actuator to apply pressure is the vanes can start to stick after a while if carbon builds up. The actuator applies more force to them then just spring tension would. 3/4 for fully closed would probably be good.
Jim
1966 Land-Rover 88" with 1.9 1Z which has been transformed to an M-TDI
TFO35 mechanically controlled VNT, IC , and 2.5" exhaust.
Driven daily

Reply #4May 06, 2008, 06:55:13 am

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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2008, 06:55:13 am »
I won't be driving this more than a few thousand miles per year (and the vanes will get a good workout with autox), so I think I'll be fine.  I designed my whole linkage last night; it'll work out pretty nice, I feel, when I'm done.  I mocked up some parts, and will tig weld them later this week.  :twisted:   So, open by 1/2 and closed by 3/4?

Reply #5May 06, 2008, 07:34:38 am

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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2008, 07:34:38 am »
I'd say open by 1/4, closed 3/4.
Jim
1966 Land-Rover 88" with 1.9 1Z which has been transformed to an M-TDI
TFO35 mechanically controlled VNT, IC , and 2.5" exhaust.
Driven daily

Reply #6May 06, 2008, 07:45:22 am

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Some thoughts/questions on controlling a vnt
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2008, 07:45:22 am »
when u do this can u take a load of pics as i am sure there are quite a few of us that would like to see this done :wink: