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What is the minimum wiring needed to run 1.9 PD engines?
by
DonGTI
on 10 Jan, 2008 12:18
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Found one at a local second hand engine importer... been sitting there for 4 years and no one's bought it due to it having no wiring or ecu whatsoever...
The asking price is ridiculously cheap at just $200, was considering buying it to dismantle it and sell it as spare parts, but on a more experimantal note i have found an engine harness and an ecu from someplace else, how complete must the car loom be to start it? (Immobiliser... CAN BUS system... ecc). Worth buying and keeping in the hope of running it someday or break out the air wrench and put everything on ebay?
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#1
by
rabbid79
on 10 Jan, 2008 19:22
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This is a hard question to answer. I know there are a few people on this forum that have done it, or are in the process. I attempted to put a European PD-150 engine in my Rabbit, but gave up because of the amount of mechanical work that still needed to be done to the engine, and the fact that I didn't receive the wiring harness that goes with the engine and ECU. It had completely different connectors than the U.S. model PDs, and wasn't compatible. I also needed things like the glow plug controller, drive-by-wire throttle pedal, mass air flow sensor, etc. It just wasn't worth the effort.
What I would suggest is pulling the head and selling it on eBay, and then putting an ALH VE-style head and injection pump on the block. (I think this can be done, but search TDIclub to be sure.) Supposedly the internals of the PD engines are a little better than the VE engines, so you'd have a simple mechanically injected engine with the toughness of a newer PD engine.
Unless it's a rare high-HP model, I don't know how much you'll get if you part it out. There have been some PD pistons and connecting rods on TheSamba for $160 for a couple of months now that nobody has purchased. Of course turbos, intake manifolds, cranks, blocks, etc. are worth some bucks, but you should probably just take advantage of what you've got and use it for your own project.
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#2
by
Tintin
on 11 Jan, 2008 15:56
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The ALH wiring harnes connector are compatible with european PD engine, 1999 to 2003, it have just some wire to interchange and add another and that work.
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#3
by
rabbid79
on 11 Jan, 2008 21:45
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I know that the U.S. PD wiring harness and the PD-150 European wiring harnesses are different. One of the large connectors into the ECU on the PD-150 engine had something like 132 pins, whereas the largest connector on the U.S. PD has something like 80. But if an ALH (VE) wiring harness can be converted, that would be great.
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#4
by
G60ING
on 12 Jan, 2008 05:45
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Follow in the foot steps that I did when I was trying to answer the same question about my ALH engine. Get a running PD car and start pulling the fuses and VAG the car as doing so. Then take the car for a drive to see if you are in limp mode. I was able to get my car down to 3 fuses but it did not have an imobilzer and it was not an PD.
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#5
by
Tintin
on 12 Jan, 2008 06:23
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I know that the U.S. PD wiring harness and the PD-150 European wiring harnesses are different. One of the large connectors into the ECU on the PD-150 engine had something like 132 pins, whereas the largest connector on the U.S. PD has something like 80. But if an ALH (VE) wiring harness can be converted, that would be great.
euhh??? I do not understand exactly.....
1999 to 2003 european 1.9TDI PD 100-115-130-150-160 come with EDC15 ECU (121pin) TDI PD USA and canada It's 2004 and up with EDC16 ECU (I think 132pin).
I swap a PD150 motor in my 1995 jetta, and I used the ALH ECU connector for the PD ECU.
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#6
by
Greasecar
on 12 Jan, 2008 08:25
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TinTin-
What part of the ALH harness were you able to use: the chassis harness? I have a complete ALH chassis harness and the BEW injection system harness, will these two harnesses connect to a EDC 15 harness? What wires need to be changed/ added?
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#7
by
Tintin
on 12 Jan, 2008 09:39
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TinTin-
What part of the ALH harness were you able to use: the chassis harness? I have a complete ALH chassis harness and the BEW injection system harness, will these two harnesses connect to a EDC 15 harness? What wires need to be changed/ added?
An injection harness is easy to connect for run the motor, ground, positive, a positive at Xrelay, rpm, feed pump, etc, you need to disable the IMO, no need the chassis harness, It's a waste of time.
BEW inj harness work with BEW ECU, It's not the same connector than the ALH, and all the european TDI PD, seat, ford galaxy, passat, etc... harness 1999 to 2003 work with all EDC15 PD ECU, without IMO.
If you have a PD engine without harness and ECU, the easy way It's to buy a european 1999 to 2003 PD ECU on Ebay, and use ALH harness, I bought a Ford galaxy PD130 EDC15 ECU for 120eur include shipping on Ebay, and it works perfectly.
Unfortunately it takes a too long time and Elsawin search to enumerate here which wire must be changed and added on a ALH harness, you will have to make it yourself if you launch out in this project.
I made a complete inj PD harness with only the ALH connectors cutted with 2 inch of wire, It's not very difficult if you have a wiring diagram.
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#8
by
Greasecar
on 12 Jan, 2008 10:54
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I have a US PD BEW and wiring harness as well as an ALH harness. I need Ecu. I will be putting it in a MK 1 Rabbit so I hope to delete quite a bit of the accessories.
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#9
by
G60ING
on 12 Jan, 2008 17:43
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Will an ALH ECU do anything for you?
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#10
by
zaprzal
on 13 Jan, 2008 05:26
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#11
by
RabbitGTDguy
on 13 Jan, 2008 06:53
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interesting vids...
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#12
by
DonGTI
on 14 Jan, 2008 07:43
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1st vid : I prefer to use Brake Cleaner ...
below 1st vid in youtube is a 2nd vid of a laguna's dash as it accelerates... : saw a vid of a pd'd mk1 running somwhere in this forum... i bet he could smoke the frenchie
RE actual thread... will lay my hands on a 1/2 golf mk4 pd 130 (6 spd) sometime this weekend. I will try removing as sggested one fuse at a time and see when the ecu goes into safemode... i won;t be able to drive it but i will keep my eyes on the dash and warning lights
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#13
by
vwmike
on 15 Jan, 2008 11:51
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I installed a PD150 in my MK3 Golf. I used the whole engine harness that came with the engine and plugged into the ECU and then wired the second plug up to the car using the chassis side harness for a '98 Jetta TDI. With the immobilizer delete most of the connections I had to make were for the instrument cluster, relay 109, and fuel pump relay. Since I didn't have the specific "glow time control module" I used an old style fast glow relay for a 1.6TD which greatly simplified things. The minimums needed with the immobilizer delete would probably be just the basic power and ground wires but you also need to control the lift pump somehow. Without the immobilizer delete you'd need the matched ECU, cluster, and key/reader. All of these could be peiced together but they need to be programmed to work together. IMO it's more trouble than it's worth. I do the immo deletes myself so I realize it's a bit more difficult for some people....especially those in Europe where people are sometimes afraid to do immo deletes due to the liability. Still, I think this is much less trouble than dealing with the cluster and key/reader.
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#14
by
Greasecar
on 15 Jan, 2008 15:50
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Mike-
So when you say that you just need the power and ground with the IMO delete, I assume you are referring to the chassis connector on the ECU right? What did you do about the intake flap and EGR?