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Reply #30December 09, 2007, 09:00:54 pm

zagarus

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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2007, 09:00:54 pm »
sent ya a pm Ben, hope to talk to Giles sometime this week...I need one of these pumps once and for all.
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Reply #31December 09, 2007, 09:01:09 pm

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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2007, 09:01:09 pm »
Thanks, spencebm.

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so just to clarify, Giles has been massing fuel pump cores and working his magic on them?  

So if i were to call in on monday and get a quote and whatnot about getting a fuel pump, will he just send me one he has already built, or will i have to send my stock one in first to get worked on?

I was hearing about a core deposit, and that you get credited back when he receives your old pump so i was just curious as to how the whole process goes now.

Anyone know off hand?


1. Giles has a pile of pump cores.
2. If you call in tomorrow (today, I guess - I'd better get to bed :shock:) then he will start working on one of his existing cores as soon as you like, and he will credit you back when he receives your core.

OR, he will wait until you ship yours in, work on it, and send it back. Basically, as long as he gets another similar / identical pump as a core, you're good to go as far as the core charge is concerned. It's just a question of how fast you want / need the pump and stuff. But no, he does not have or keep custom pumps on the shelf, because each one is made to suit your particular arrangement, intended charging system (specific size turbo, boost pressure, intercooler / non, etc.) and driving style (autocross? Long highway cruiser? etc.). So give him a call or send him an e-mail if you want and he can give you pricing info and a time estimate.

Zagarus: already hit you back. Let me know if you need any other info - otherwise, we might be talking tomorrow.

Reply #32December 09, 2007, 09:31:00 pm

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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2007, 09:31:00 pm »
hmmm interesting that you guys dont use diesel to calibrate the pumps.  learn something new everyday!

obviously using a dyno to test an old pump vs a Giles pump is unfair though  :lol:  and the internal pressure is probably way off and in need of adjusting.  the main reason i spoke of internal pressure calibration being a key component is due to the fact that it relates to the dynamic timing.  VW themselves have a specific timing curve to lower certain emissions, but also lower power.  i'm sure that the governor is modified as well to compliment the extra dynamic timing in such a way that the car runs smooth still as most people DIY get hangs in RPM and other bizzare issues.  in the end it is really the fuel that gets these cars moving though.

hats off to you Ben!   :D

i'd like to have a gauge to see my internal pump pressure beyond 3k rpm.  it just seems to drop off so much power from there as before it had a bit more go after that with my previous pump.  i think it could be the dynamic timing but for the time being i'll just drive as is until i get my m-TDI engine running.

one thing is for sure though... Giles is rebuilding my mTDI pump for me.  the guys over in Europe building mech pumps have nothing on Giles.  i'd buy stock in his company if i could  :lol:


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Reply #33December 09, 2007, 09:45:33 pm

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« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2007, 09:45:33 pm »
Quote from: "jtanguay"
hmmm interesting that you guys dont use diesel to calibrate the pumps.  learn something new everyday!

one thing is for sure though... Giles is rebuilding my mTDI pump for me.  the guys over in Europe building mech pumps have nothing on Giles.  i'd buy stock in his company if i could  :lol:


Thanks for the kind words, Jtanguay.

Main reason for not using diesel for calibration is that the ASTM specs for fuels don't closely regulate the composition or physical characteristics of the fuel. That is to say that they are functional guidelines, not chemical recipes. The difference is an important one - diesel fuel or gasoline must behave in certain ways, but their actual makeup is not stipulated at all by the specs that govern them. That makes it much easier for refiners to make diesel / gasoline, because they can "fudge" the numbers a bit depending on the makeup of any given barrel of crude. (OK, I'm sure that's more than enough info on petrochemical manufacture for everyone's liking but me  :lol: ) Anyway, the spec that governs calibration fluid (VISCOR diesel stuff is only one example) is a specific composition guideline as well as a functional guideline. Basically, the upshot is that diesel or gasoline can vary wildly in terms of composition - all you know for certain is that it is within the necessary operational parameters for your engine to run... not necessarily to run well, or ideally, but to run nominally. With calibration fluid, you know from day to day, week to week, and month to month EXACTLY what the stuff is made of, and EXACTLY how it will function. So any test reading done with that stuff consistent and externally as well as internally valid. That's also why testing is expensive - you need to drain a pump, mount it up, etc. - you can't just throw it on the bench, because contamination of calibration fluid with diesel fuel destroys the carefully enforced spec, potentially throwing your test readings out in future.

As far as the European pump builders and others - some of those guys do really take pride in their work - I'm not knocking their integrity or anything. But my experience with a number of such pumps (experience which is limited, so take from it what you will) includes strange and undesirable things like mixing and matching components (One head goes with one rotor - there is no such thing as a "good" head and "bad" rotor or vice versa... tolerances are so close that you CANNOT mix and match.) And heavy use of inexpensive non-OEM components which are always "pretty close" but not necessarily close enough to work for very long.

Then again, there are other guys who do a perfectly passable job for a perfectly passable price. Their customers may not be excited fans, but they can be perfectly satisfied too - it all depends on what you want and what you expect. When good enough is good enough, you may not need to deal with Performance Diesel Injection. If you'll only settle for the best... Giles would love to do whatever crazy modifications you've got in mind.

Reply #34December 10, 2007, 09:50:42 am

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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2007, 09:50:42 am »
I don’t have the time or money to learn everything to build a performance fuel pump, that’s why my 1.6TD pump is at Giles right now.  Hope I got all the fuel out, sorry if it didn’t all drain.  It was old n nasty. :oops:

Letting Giles set up my pump for the autocross car is one less thing I need to worry about.  If I can find and sort out the rest of the parts, I’ll let y’all know how it is after the first event, end of Feb.  

For the RPM signal to the dyno I was thinking of making an optical coupler, that way I can use a regular gas tach and have a signal for the dyno also.  Have a link to schematics on the home computer.  Converting to a diesel tach wouldn't help the dyno, they scratched their heads and couldn't figure an easy way when I wanted to test my 98 TDI.

Reply #35December 10, 2007, 10:20:14 am

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« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2007, 10:20:14 am »
Quote from: "TedV"
I don’t have the time or money to learn everything to build a performance fuel pump, that’s why my 1.6TD pump is at Giles right now.  Hope I got all the fuel out, sorry if it didn’t all drain.  It was old n nasty. :oops:


It *was* old and nasty. I drained and cleaned that one just the other day.  :wink: Wasn't too bad, just looks like it was sitting for a while. Good luck in the events!

Reply #36December 10, 2007, 06:38:32 pm

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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2007, 06:38:32 pm »
All I can add to this is that anyone considering a high perf pump on a 1.6 NA really needs to think about taking the head off and doing a nice port job.  Also, maybe think even more seriously about a set of headers and a free-flowing exhaust.  You would be surprised at how much airflow you can free up - which may or may not match the delivery curve of the pump.  I have built MkII NAs with stock pumps that were almost as good as TDs for performance.  I just wish I had a pump builder available at that time.
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Reply #37December 10, 2007, 07:42:20 pm

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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2007, 07:42:20 pm »
Any suggestions on a cheap exhaust manifold source that will get better flow? BTW I just had my head completely redone, and a giles hi-perf pump put on, is it expensive to clean up the head for better flow.
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Reply #38December 10, 2007, 09:48:45 pm

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« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2007, 09:48:45 pm »
id assume yer intake manifold would flow a lot better then a TD intake manifold to begin with.   Port and polish it maybe?


I've also been calling Giles pumps G.M.F.P.O.D's.   "Giles modified fuel pump of death" lol :lol:
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