Audi 5-Cyl TDI (AAT) From Europe with a Giles Mech TDI Pump!

[Pat Dolan]

If it's alright with you, I would like to come around an visit if I can during my next trip to Hogtown (this week or next).

[BejamminR]

Pat: Come on down anytime - we're at 187 Steelcase Road West Unit 16 in Markham. It would be better if you call ahead though so we know you're coming - 905-940-2266. Talk to either Giles or myself.

[Pat Dolan]

Thanks.  Will give you a shout when I can find some time to get off of the project (Portlands Energy Centre).

[lord_verminaard]

OMG now if only someone would figure out how to get that engine in my Jeep Wrangler.  

That would be just the right size.  Everything else is either too big or too small.  The 4B Cummins and the Isuzu 4's are just too big, either one of them are a couple hundred pounds heavier than the current iron I-6, that would throw the balance of the Jeep off too much for my likings.  (the 50-50 balance is one of it's strong points)

Any ideas how much that running setup weighed?  

Looks great guys,

Brendan

[Baxter]

Them engines are in loads of stuff, first came out in the Audi 100, later redesignated the A6, but the first gen of A6.
The engine is also used in the T4, what you call a Eurovan from 1996 to 2003.
Volvo also ran the engine in their S and V range of cars, although I'm not sure which ones, but it's deffo a VW engine.

I have one in my T4, I have the lowest output one at 88hp, but with a set of nozzles, and intercooler and a remap you can almost double that without too much effort, these come with stanadyne injectors.
Common ones are the 102hp which come with an intercooler and bigger bosch injectors and in Germany they got the legendary 151hp multivan whcih had a bigger (radiator sized) FMIC.

Cheap they are not!

[Pat Dolan]

Mr. Brickyard:

We have one of the low HP 2.5 TDIs (can't remember the engine code, and I am about 1000 miles away from my shop right now, but it is from an '02 Eurovan, I believe) that is going into a T3 Westy Syncro this winter.

Giles will build an M-TDI pump (as soon as someone out there in Torontoland finds a 2.4 pump for us/him) and we will keep it down to maybe .205s and the existing TINY turbo, but with an intercooler (probably Audi 5000, mounted in one of of the T3 air ducts).

Two things I could sure stand:  

#1 tell us all more about these engines.  While they are common as dirt to you, they are a very exotic mystery to those of us treated like mushrooms by VWAG and fed only the droppings from the Euro-table.

#2 can you source locking front diff for us?  We will get things going with the regular stuff, but again, over here, we only got locking REAR diffs.  Will have our current transaxle re-geared with heavier and taller top pair (and new slider) as well, but want/need to the front to match.

Regards - Pat

[TPW]

I just finished installing an old 5 cylinder IDI turbo diesel in a 1986 Audi 5000 Quattro.  It only is rated at 84 HP and 120 ft.ls torque, but isn't really doggy to drive.  It has a fair amount of get up and go.  I would like to see a 5 cylinder TDI with twice the power installed in the same vehicle.  That would be great.  Looking a the pics of these engines, it looks like the oil pan would have to be modified to fit  over the subframe.  Does anyone have experience with this installation?

[haybayian]

I think you guys will all like this. Here we have an imported European Audi 2.5L 5-cylinder TDI (Engine code AAT). We have eschewed electronic control and outfitted a Giles mechanical fuel pump. In this video, we're just firing up the engine for its final test run before sending it home with the customer. I'm bracing the engine, because it's suspended from a hoist - Giles is firing it up.   Crazy? Maybe. But look at how smoothly and quietly that baby runs... Oh yes.
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BenjaminR  the work that Giles and you are doing  on diesels is  impressive,  a 5 cylinder audi must be smooth and powerful...maybe one day you will do a V10 VW or V12 Peugeot for us to bolt on our rigs, who knows?

For now I have two questions for you both:

You rebuilt my VE with performance mods and sold me a rebuilt Garrett T3. What horse power and torque should I expect from my  also remaned 1993 AAZ.

Is the IP as rebuilt by Giles going to tolerate biodiesel?

Thanks.

Haybayian

[Baxter]

Re: fitting in a Vanagon.
http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8602&PN=1
This lad works for me.

[Pat Dolan]

Brick-Dude:

Thanks for the links.  Haven't seen any previous referrence to the brace between the bellhousing and front of the gearbox!

Pat

[wizard-of-od]

I think you guys will all like this. Here we have an imported European Audi 2.5L 5-cylinder TDI (Engine code AAT). We have eschewed electronic control and outfitted a Giles mechanical fuel pump. In this video, we're just firing up the engine for its final test run before sending it home with the customer. I'm bracing the engine, because it's suspended from a hoist - Giles is firing it up.   Crazy? Maybe. But look at how smoothly and quietly that baby runs... Oh yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6fYi13CBlU

If you guys have any questions, ask away! We have some more pictures of the engine and pump while still in progress, which should be posted on the Performance Diesel Injection website once it is live. I'm presently working on that with Giles, and we're hopeful that the site will be fully operational before the start of 2008.  We'll be sure to keep everyone posted! :wink:

Amazing work Lads!
Anyway of making the TDI pump work?Reason I ask is because I have a 2.5TDI motor sitting on a palet from an A6 and I wanted to put it in a Jetta to make this:

(never got around to it)

[jtanguay]

I think you guys will all like this. Here we have an imported European Audi 2.5L 5-cylinder TDI (Engine code AAT). We have eschewed electronic control and outfitted a Giles mechanical fuel pump. In this video, we're just firing up the engine for its final test run before sending it home with the customer. I'm bracing the engine, because it's suspended from a hoist - Giles is firing it up.   Crazy? Maybe. But look at how smoothly and quietly that baby runs... Oh yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6fYi13CBlU

If you guys have any questions, ask away! We have some more pictures of the engine and pump while still in progress, which should be posted on the Performance Diesel Injection website once it is live. I'm presently working on that with Giles, and we're hopeful that the site will be fully operational before the start of 2008.  We'll be sure to keep everyone posted! :wink:

Amazing work Lads!
Anyway of making the TDI pump work?Reason I ask is because I have a 2.5TDI motor sitting on a palet from an A6 and I wanted to put it in a Jetta to make this:

(never got around to it)

what do you mean by anyway of making the TDI pump work?  check out that youtube video and you'll see Giles did it  :wink:

[RabbitGTDguy]

BEAUtiful I remember seeing that on TDIClub

Joe

[wizard-of-od]

what do you mean by anyway of making the TDI pump work?  check out that youtube video and you'll see Giles did it  :wink:

He is using a mechanical pump not so?

[jtanguay]

what do you mean by anyway of making the TDI pump work?  check out that youtube video and you'll see Giles did it  :wink:

He is using a mechanical pump not so?

yes he's using the mechanical TDI pump