Cranking...Cranking...

[SteveH]

All,
  Well I have finally reached the point of starting up my engine for the first time (1.6 TD engine code 1V).  I primed up the fuel system, and bled the injectors.  However, it still doesn't want to start.  The only thing that I have not done is to time the injector pump with a dial indicator.  I assembled everything properly (in other words, I lined up the notch in the injector pump pulley with the bulge in the bracket), so shouldn't it not at least start (although perhaps run like crap ?) ?
  The reason why I have not timed it with the dial indicator is that my oil supply line for the turbo is giving me clearance issues, so I have to wait until I can get one made up out of braided line.

Thanks,
  Steve

[benjaminva]

I just went through timing and getting ready a TD in which the injector pump had to be replaced.  The oil return line I just disconnected and had to disconnect the vaccum line as well to use the dial indicator.  If you don't have the correct timing you can crank all you want, and the car won't start, so stop cranking and time it before you go any farther.  Hope this helps, I just went through a week of learning on my own, and now the car is up and running like it did before.

Ben
93 AAZ Jetta TD
91 TD Jetta

[chrissev]

you can time the car with the turbo oil supply line in the way.  You just need to put the dial gauge into the holder BEFORE you put the holder in the pump.  It will fit.  Did on mine anyway.  The line on the top of the pump is nowhere near correct time, and the timing window for those cars is from .045 to .032, which is just a hair of movement, hardly anything.  Anything above or below that, it won't start or run.   Also check that you've got your banjo fittings in the right holes.  If you switch input with output, it won't start.

[SteveH]

All,
  Thanks for the help.  I borrowed the correct timing tool from a diesel mechanic (this tool is only about 3" long, dial indicator included !), and timed the pump.  Needless to say, I had to rotate the thing about 15 degrees towards the head.  Now it runs/starts like a champ.  However, it will die if I don't have the cold start cable out...Any ideas ?

Thanks,
  Steve

PS - I did not have the cold start cable out when I timed it...

[ejust]

in my bentley, the timing is suppose to be .93-1.07mm (.037-.042) where the middle would be 1.00 (.0394).  Anything above or below that could cause problems. Also is the idle up enuf, fuel quantity, etc??  Just a thought!! hope it helps

[jtanguay]

does it die when the engine is cold?  When its about -5C outside, it will die without the cold start pulled out when engine is cold.  If it dies whenever the cold start is pushed in, maybe you timed it with the cold start pulled out?  Or maybe the idle needs to be adjusted.

Hope that helps

[chrissev]

All,
  Thanks for the help.  I borrowed the correct timing tool from a diesel mechanic (this tool is only about 3" long, dial indicator included !), and timed the pump.  Needless to say, I had to rotate the thing about 15 degrees towards the head.  Now it runs/starts like a champ.  However, it will die if I don't have the cold start cable out...Any ideas ?

Thanks,
  Steve

PS - I did not have the cold start cable out when I timed it...

do you mean it will die when it is cold or anytime?  Have you tried warming it up and then putting the cold start in?

[chrissev]

in my bentley, the timing is suppose to be .93-1.07mm (.037-.042) where the middle would be 1.00 (.0394).  Anything above or below that could cause problems. Also is the idle up enuf, fuel quantity, etc??  Just a thought!! hope it helps

yup, that is right.  But it will run with the timing anywhere between .032 and .045.  Above or below that, it won't run.  When I put my rebuilt pump in I lined up the pump with the line on the backing plate and then checked the timing:  at .025.  No way that would start.  So the line is just a general thing to get it close so your readings aren't totally off the scale.

[SteveH]

All,
 Thanks for the input.  I cannot really say for certain if it will die when the engine is hot, as I let it run until I saw the temp gauge move abit, then pushed the cold start valve in...Do you have to wait until its hot (and the fans kick on ?) ?  Im sure that I didn't do the injector pump timing with the valve out.....Looks like I'll be borrowing that tool again to make sure everything is proper.

Thanks again,
  Steve

[jtanguay]

I'm pretty sure that I have a bad glow plug or two.   When I first got the car I had no glow problems (started like a dream) but now I got blue smoke when I start.  I have to let the cold start out for at least a few minutes otherwise the engine misses and even dies