R134 A.C. or No??

[maxfax]

AS squirrelly as eBay can be, I'm surprised they haven;t cracked down on, or been cracked down upon about that..

[OM617]

Thats difficult to do when its completely legal.

[maxfax]

Ahh but how many of those sales are legal??  Haven't found a vendor yet asking for proof of certification and such.....  
And right from the EPA:

The following people can buy any type of refrigerant under the sales restriction (for instance, R-11, R-12, R-123, R-22, and R-12), except for "small cans" containing less than 20 pounds of R-12:

technicians certified to service stationary appliances (i.e., Type I,
Type II, Type III, or Universal certification) by a Section 608
EPA-certified testing organization;

employers of a Section 608 certified technicians (or the employer's
authorized representative) if the employer provides the wholesaler
with written evidence that he or she employs at least one properly
certified technician; and

manufacturers of air-conditioning and refrigeration equipment, where
the refrigerant is used in the original manufacture of the equipment

The following people can only buy refrigerant found suitable for use in a motor vehicle air conditioner (for example, R-12, R-406A, R-414A, R-414B, etc.), including "small cans" containing less than 20 pounds of R-12:

technicians certified to service motor vehicle air-conditioners
(MVACs) by a Section 609 EPA-certified testing organization

persons who buy refrigerant only for the purpose of resale to Section
609 certified technicians, such persons must provide written
documentation (that includes the purchaser's name and address) to the
seller stating that the refrigerant is only intended for resale.

[OM617]

Haven't found a vendor yet asking for proof of certification and such.....  

Really? This is from the very first listing in the link I posted earlier...

A copy of your EPA 609 Certificate or a signed statement of resale will be required at payment.

Then...

To comply with Ebay regulations, notice to all bidders:  Item will be Ground Shipped and bidder needs to provide a letter of resale to a certified tec. and/or be properly certified and comply with any and all regulations.

Then...

NOTICE:  Buyer must comply fully with all federal, state, and local laws.  A copy of your EPA 609 Certificate or a signed statement of resale will be required at payment.  This is very simple...  If you do not have a 609 Certificate, you will have to state in the BUYER SHIPPING INSTRUCTIONS that you are buying this to resell to a certified tech.

You must not have looked at all. 

[maxfax]

Try clicking the buy it now and see what happens..  Paypal them some money and boom in a few days you have R-12, no questions asked..

And if you read further most state that you do not have a cert, no problem.. They just need an email saying that you are buying it to re sell it..  And most never ask for that.. 

Although it's been a while since I;ve read the law I guess the seller woudl have all the necessary info to cover their *** from the paypal transaction...

[OM617]

Try clicking the buy it now and see what happens.

Try asking about how to disable your EGR on this forum, or how about posting a "smoke tale"?

This is the internet Mr. maxfax, regulations and laws are little more than text-based formalities.

[maxfax]

regulations and laws are little more than text.

That extends far beyound the internet kiddo...

That is till you get an zealout with nothing better to do, then look out..

[Jettagli16v]

This is the internet Mr. maxfax, regulations and laws are little more than text-based formalities.

Ask Tommy Chong if laws are little more than text based formalities on the internet!
And everything is legal until you get caught!

-Brad

[jtanguay]

It is illegal to recharge a car with R12 or buy it without a license.

It is nothing more than a formality. The test costs $15 and is open book, you can even do it at home and mail it in.

You can even buy R12 on eBay.
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/__?_from=R40&_trksid=p3841.m39.l1313&_nkw=r12&_sacat=

i hate R12!!! its really bad stuff.  pretty sad too when someone can write the test that easily too  

if you have an R12 system its not illegal to charge it with Duracool anywhere as far as i know as long as has been emptied.  i didn't have to retrofit anything to get it going at first.  i bought two cans of the duracool and one can of dura dry.  i ran the dura dry first to remove moisture (system sat dry for a while) then after running it on that stuff for a good 5 mins, i emptied the system (i'm not sure if their dura dry can stay in and mix with the refrigerant..) then charged it up and it blew real cold.  not bad for a system empty for at least 2 years...  what did it for me that my rad fan died, so the condensor line broke off from corrosion when i went to replace the rad fan... so i had to buy a new condensor and receiver drier (always a good idea anyways) and then started changing all the o-rings i had access to.  i believe the schrader valve in the high side was the reason for my slow leak.  but i put the new high side valve on so it should fix that problelm.  and i havent even tried the stop leak yet either... so that might fix it too  

just buy the duracool change over kit with the charging hose, two cans of refrigerant and the new r134a change over valves (most common place for the system to leak)  the oil is even in the duracool cans (i confirmed this) so the compressor will last a long time running on this stuff. the oil doesn't turn to acid when mixed with moisture too, so its not as touchy as r134a...  when running that stuff the system has to be super dry or else!!!

i also bought the mk3 compressor off of prothe, and will be swapping the valve side with my mk2 (it looks the same, we'll see how that goes) so anyone running a mk3 engine in a mk2 can have a/c

[VW_Commuter]

Just so those in the US are aware of the law in the US concerning the acceptable and unacceptable substitutes for motor vehicle a/c systems: this page from the EPA's website, http://www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrigerants/macssubs.html, clearly states what are acceptable and unacceptable substitutes for motor vehicle a/c systems.